A new leader in 4G team

[sbwow]

The basic rule of progressing forward is to keep hearing and keep taking into account opinions and discussions of everyone. More so if one is leading the country.

The enclosed mindset - I do not want to hear the thoughts of people. I do not care about their opinions. I only care for self rule.

It is obvious you don't care about anyone, then why would the voters care about you. Soon you will be out of this seat.

[mokermania]

Originally Posted by bowl69

His face so tiko, confirm he's a lover of commercial sex

I saw a pic of him and his 2nd wife...(He divorced once)
She looks delicious to me

[mokermania]

Originally Posted by singleman

Yesterday there is a lot of news about there is a new leader in our 4G team. so how is this going to affect us or not affect us?

Wow no wonder lo...cos was listening to FM 96.3...
Wa got 2 writer from Zhao Bao praise him like hell.
Like oh his 2nd marriage good la...
Came from poor family etc!

[jacky43]

Originally Posted by sbwow

The basic rule of progressing forward is to keep hearing and keep taking into account opinions and discussions of everyone. More so if one is leading the country.

The enclosed mindset - I do not want to hear the thoughts of people. I do not care about their opinions. I only care for self rule.

It is obvious you don't care about anyone, then why would the voters care about you. Soon you will be out of this seat.

Good point. Still. A mother of all question. Who does 4G choose to receive feedbacks and suggestions? PR and new citizens. Wrong moved. Past 30 yrs. RC and CC are losing born local members.

[ilovepantyhose]

Originally Posted by sbwow

The basic rule of progressing forward is to keep hearing and keep taking into account opinions and discussions of everyone. More so if one is leading the country.

The enclosed mindset - I do not want to hear the thoughts of people. I do not care about their opinions. I only care for self rule.

It is obvious you don't care about anyone, then why would the voters care about you. Soon you will be out of this seat.

no issue to them because afterwards they can still have chairman seat or director seat

[sbwow]

That is the whole reason why after every GE, they found out they had lesser votes as compared to previous GE.

It's the opposition who stands for the people.
PAP used to do that very frequently when LKY was in his early years. The crowd cheered.

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by sbwow

That is the whole reason why after every GE, they found out they had lesser votes as compared to previous GE.

It's the opposition who stands for the people.
PAP used to do that very frequently when LKY was in his early years. The crowd cheered.

Originally Posted by BushTracker

The last time PAP raise GST from 5% to 7%. 2 months later (or there about) they increased their own salaries.

Let's see if this will happen again.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/ministers-...043024792.html

Staff Writer, Singapore·Editorial Team
8 August 2018

'Ministers are not paid enough', says Goh Chok Tong: reports




Cut ministerial pay and the government will end up recruiting “very, very mediocre people” as office-holders, said Emeritus Senior Minister (ESM) Goh Chok Tong in a dialogue with South East District residents last Thursday (2 August).

“I am telling you the ministers are not paid enough, and down the road, we are going to get a problem with getting people to join the government, because civil servants now earn more than ministers,” said Goh. “Now we dare not pay ministers a good wage.”

“To any one of us here, $1 million is a lot of money. So where do you want to get your ministers from? From people who earn only $500,000 a year, whose capacity is $500,000 a year? So (when) I look for ministers, anybody who wants to be paid more than half a million, I won’t take him. You are going to end up with very very mediocre people, who can’t even earn a million dollars outside to be our minister. Think about that. Is it good for you, or is it worse for us in the end?”

The 77-year-old added that he had asked two potential candidates who were earning $5-10 million to stand in the 2015 General Election but they declined.

According to The Online Citizen (TOC) and The Straits Times, Goh was responding to a suggestion by Braddell Heights resident Abdul Aziz, 70, that ministerial salaries be cut to fund pensions for elderly people. A recording of the conversation was posted by social news site MustShareNews.com, and Goh’s staffers later provided TOC with a transcript of the exchange.

The former Prime Minister went on to cite the example of Senior Minister of State for Law and Health Edwin Tong, 48, who was a senior partner at law firm Allen and Gledhill when approached to take up his current position. Tong was earning more than $2 million annually as a senior counsel and now earns $500,000 per year, said Goh.

According to the ESM, “(Tong) said, at this stage of his life, he has got a house, he has got a mother-in-law to support, a father-in-law to support, his own parents and so on, what should he do?

“So I asked him, ‘Edwin, what are you in politics for?’ He said, ‘Here to serve.’ So I said, ‘Well, you know between $2 million and perhaps half a million, later on you hopefully become a full minister, $1 million, you have to decide which is more important.’

“He said, ‘Yes, I will take it on.’ And he felt very strongly that he could do the job.”

A controversial issue

The annual pay of political appointment-holders consists of five components: Monthly salary, 13th month bonus, Annual Variable Component (AVC) based on Singapore’s economic performance, performance bonus and a national bonus based on four socio-economic indicators.

The latter bonus can range from zero to six months, with good performers typically given three months.

Currently, the annual salary of an MR4 grade (entry level) minister stands at $1.1 million, while the Prime Minister earns $2.2 million. This is based on the assumption of an AVC of one month, good individual performance and the national bonus indicators being met.

In March, Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean told Parliament that the government would maintain ministerial salaries at their current level.

“The economy is going through a period of transition and the government has decided to watch the changing economic conditions and outlook further, rather than making any refinements now,” said the 63-year-old, who is also Minister-in-charge of the Civil Service.

In 2017, a committee formed by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong found that the existing salary framework remains “relevant and sound”. It did, however, recommended a pay rise of 9 per cent along with “fine-tuning of the national bonus conditions” to take into consideration changing economic conditions and national outlook, said Teo.

The recommended increase was to match the respective rise in the salary benchmark for an MR4-grade minister, which is currently set as the median income of the top 1,000 earners who are Singapore citizens.

The current total annual salary of an entry level Minister (i.e. MR4) is benchmarked to 60% of the median income of the top 1,000 earners who are Singapore Citizens.

In 2007, ministerial salaries were increased by some 60 per cent.

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[kuasimi]

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/comment-fu...131941715.html

COMMENT: The furore over ministerial pay is gaining currency again


Nicholas Yong·Assistant News Editor
12 August 2018




It was a jaw-dropping moment, akin to a bolt of lightning from the blue. A first glance at Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong’s comments in a dialogue with South East District residents on 2 August elicited the instinctive response: is this fake news? Did he really say that?

Yes, he really did. “I am telling you the ministers are not paid enough, and down the road, we are going to get a problem with getting people to join the government…now we dare not pay ministers a good wage,” said Goh in a conversation with Braddell Heights resident Abdul Aziz, 70.

And the former Prime Minister (1990-2004) went further, “You are going to end up with very, very mediocre people, who can’t even earn a million dollars outside to be our ministers. Think about that. Is it good for you, or is it worse for us in the end?”

And just like that, the 77-year-old revived the perennial, and always contentious, issue of ministerial pay: just how much is enough? For “very, very mediocre” Singaporeans like myself who do not earn anywhere close to a million dollars, his comments also presented a false equivalence: that high pay somehow equates to a high level of competence.

Goh has since come out to say that he did not mean to call Singaporeans mediocre and that salaries are not the “starting point” in recruiting for the ruling People’s Action Party (PAP). But the damage had already been done.

Singapore exceptionalism





While Goh was presumably unaware that he was being recorded, it feels baffling that a politician as seasoned and popular as him would treat a controversial issue in such a seemingly blase manner.

Eleven years after ministerial salaries were last increased – by a whopping 60 per cent – it was a reminder of the late Lee Kuan Yew’s infamous claim at the time that “our women will become maids in other countries” if their pay did not go up. Teo Chee Hean, who was then Defence Minister, added, “If we don’t do that, in the long term, the government system will slowly crumble and collapse.”

It was Lee who, in 1994, advocated pegging the salaries of government ministers and top civil servants to that of the private sector. Today, Singapore has the highest paid ministers in the world, with an entry-level minister paid $1.1 million annually and the Prime Minister earning $2.2 million (including conditional bonuses).

But besides averting the destruction of Singapore, the issue has also become a political liability for the PAP, arguably even more so than hot-button topics such as train breakdowns and the influx of immigrants.

Ownself reward ownself?


It is safe to say that most Singaporeans do not begrudge our political appointment-holders being well compensated – what is in dispute is the exact amount they should be paid.

But what rankles is the seemingly arbitrary manner in which the government can raise its own salaries – an apparent case of ownself reward ownself, to paraphrase the popular saying. And while Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean said in March that ministerial pay would remain unchanged for now, Goh’s remarks suggest that the PAP’s mindset on the matter has not changed.

The government has often benchmarked Singapore’s performance in a wide range of areas, ranging from the economy to education, against global indicators to underscore how far the country has progressed under their rule. Yet when it comes to ministerial pay, it has noticeably shunned using the same benchmarking practice to push its case.

So what are the arguments for the exceptionalism of Singapore – and the ministers – that they can muster to justify the massive disparity between their salaries and that of their peers elsewhere? Are the responsibilities of Singapore’s ministers more demanding relative to leaders from other countries? Is the Republic a far more complex nation to govern relative to others? Do some leaders from other countries not get a significant pay cut before entering public service?


An emotive issue

This issue has assumed greater resonance in light of the rapid ascension of the 4G leadership to positions of responsibility. For instance, just three years after being elected, Ong Ye Kung is already a full minister and a contender to succeed PM Lee. One cannot help but ask: what exactly has he – and his 4G peers – done to deserve to be paid millions? Who among the 4G leaders would be bold enough to address the issue, especially when their millions are at stake?

Then there is the manner in which office-holders are often talked up as exceptional individuals who could be earning much more outside of government – ESM Goh noted that Senior Minister of State for Law and Health Edwin Tong took a hefty pay cut to take up his current appointment.

But while ministers like Tong, K Shanmugam and Ng Eng Hen indeed sacrificed much financially to work in government, this is nevertheless a fallacious argument. Consider this: a significant number of the current ministers came from the civil service and the military and have never been tested in the private sector. For some, their current salaries are likely to be the most they have ever been paid.

The arguments can carry on all day, but ministerial pay will always be an emotive issue. With a General Election due in just two years, the PAP should be wary of reviving it. Otherwise, they may well find themselves paying a political price for paying their ministers so dearly.


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[UncleHasBeen]

Originally Posted by mokermania

I saw a pic of him and his 2nd wife...(He divorced once)
She looks delicious to me

Delicious like this?

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by kuasimi

Singaporeans are required to feed elites as more and more scholars, Ministers, MPs and elites retire and need to be park somewhere.

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by ilovepantyhose

no issue to them because afterwards they can still have chairman seat or director seat

Singaporeans are required to feed elites until they die via different channels of Government agencies, NTUC, Grassroots, GLCs, Public Service, CDAC, CDC, CCC, RC etc More and more scholars, Ministers, MPs and elites retire and need to be park somewhere.

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by sbwow

That is the whole reason why after every GE, they found out they had lesser votes as compared to previous GE.

It's the opposition who stands for the people.
PAP used to do that very frequently when LKY was in his early years. The crowd cheered.

Younger voters these days prefer to vote for politicians with bigger social media presence. This is why you see more and more Ministers and PAP MPs performing on social media like Tiktok, Youtube, Instagram, Govt/PAP Youtube advertisements etc No time for Parliament and MPS but got time to perform on social media.

It is ridiculous but true. PAP votes will rise again. The younger voters will not vote on livelihood issues, party stand on topics, policies, town council, cost of government, cost of living, quality of living etc

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by ilovepantyhose

no issue to them because afterwards they can still have chairman seat or director seat

[sbwow]

Originally Posted by kuasimi

Younger voters these days prefer to vote for politicians with bigger social media presence. This is why you see more and more Ministers and PAP MPs performing on social media like Tiktok, Youtube, Instagram, Govt/PAP Youtube advertisements etc No time for Parliament and MPS but got time to perform on social media.

It is ridiculous but true. PAP votes will rise again. The younger voters will not vote on livelihood issues, party stand on topics, policies, town council, cost of government, cost of living, quality of living etc

Last line, not really applies to all.

I would say some people vote based on familiarity on what they see on social media platforms. When they start to 'pay', then they will realize.

[ACMV & Lift]

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